Comments on: Mailing lists are parties. Or they should be. http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/ Ramblings on software, law, and the spaces in between. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:08:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Avoiding email bankruptcy (part 1) – Chuqui 3.0 http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-33505 Avoiding email bankruptcy (part 1) – Chuqui 3.0 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:11:37 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-33505 [...] McCracken posted Email Charters and Lists as Parties, and calls out Luis Villa’s blog on Mailing Lists are Parties. Or they Should be. Both are well worth a read. He actually makes some very good points, and I’ve touched on [...] [...] McCracken posted Email Charters and Lists as Parties, and calls out Luis Villa’s blog on Mailing Lists are Parties. Or they Should be. Both are well worth a read. He actually makes some very good points, and I’ve touched on [...]

]]> By: Email Charters & Lists as Parties | michael-mccracken.net http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-33503 Email Charters & Lists as Parties | michael-mccracken.net Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:02:05 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-33503 [...] there’s a link to a really interesting proposal to make mailing lists easier to use – Luis Villa: “Mailing lists are parties. Or the should be.” The idea here is that the tools should help us give and receive some of the social cues that make [...] [...] there’s a link to a really interesting proposal to make mailing lists easier to use – Luis Villa: “Mailing lists are parties. Or the should be.” The idea here is that the tools should help us give and receive some of the social cues that make [...]

]]> By: Help Create an Email Charter (part 2) – Chuqui 3.0 http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-33499 Help Create an Email Charter (part 2) – Chuqui 3.0 Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:59:29 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-33499 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] cues that help moderate large conversations in the real world. (See some discussion of that here: http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] cues that help moderate large conversations in the real world. (See some discussion of that here: http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/ [...]

]]> By: Advogato: Blog for louie http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-33457 Advogato: Blog for louie Mon, 30 May 2011 22:38:39 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-33457 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] There are only a small number who are actively malign and I’ll ignore them for the purposes of this post- if you have too many of them on a list, you have problems software can’t solve. That said, the analogy may have some use in dealing with trolls too. Syndicated 2010-03-17 06:08:06 from Luis Villa's Internet Home » Blog Posts [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] There are only a small number who are actively malign and I’ll ignore them for the purposes of this post- if you have too many of them on a list, you have problems software can’t solve. That said, the analogy may have some use in dealing with trolls too. Syndicated 2010-03-17 06:08:06 from Luis Villa's Internet Home » Blog Posts [...]

]]> By: Home mailing | FilDaily http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-31834 Home mailing | FilDaily Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:13:36 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-31834 [...] Luis Villa's Internet Home / Mailing lists are parties. Or they …Luis Villa's Internet Home / Mailing lists are parties. Or they should be. on 17 -Mar-10 at 4:50 am. Kramer auto Pingback [. … Uncategorized by admin [...] [...] Luis Villa's Internet Home / Mailing lists are parties. Or they …Luis Villa's Internet Home / Mailing lists are parties. Or they should be. on 17 -Mar-10 at 4:50 am. Kramer auto Pingback [. … Uncategorized by admin [...]

]]> By: FWN/Issue218 - FedoraProject http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-30318 FWN/Issue218 - FedoraProject Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:32:57 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-30318 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] ↑ http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] ↑ http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/ [...]

]]> By: Links 23/3/2010: MySQL Does Fine, Many GNU/Linux Releases | Boycott Novell http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-30301 Links 23/3/2010: MySQL Does Fine, Many GNU/Linux Releases | Boycott Novell Wed, 24 Mar 2010 01:23:53 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-30301 [...] Mailing lists are parties. Or they should be. Bottom line: Software can’t save a mailing list full of people who actively dislike each other. Maybe I’m crazy, though, but it seems like software that helped mailing lists function more like parties could really help mailing lists cope better with anti-social people. [...] [...] Mailing lists are parties. Or they should be. Bottom line: Software can’t save a mailing list full of people who actively dislike each other. Maybe I’m crazy, though, but it seems like software that helped mailing lists function more like parties could really help mailing lists cope better with anti-social people. [...]

]]> By: Matěj Cepl http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-30295 Matěj Cepl Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:28:13 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-30295 Actually, I would agree with Philip (and I don't understand why I brushed him off so roughly) ... NNTP newsgroups and always were much more sophisticated both technologically and socially then email lists (whenever possible all my email lists go through gmane.org). Their decline and decline of Usenet as whole is one of the main reasons why I tend to believe that the bright future already happened and we are just stepping down as less worthy sons of our fathers. Or to quote J.R.R.Tolkien: “I am a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect ‘history’ to be anything but a `long defeat'—though it contains (and in a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or glimpses of final victory.” Actually, I would agree with Philip (and I don’t understand why I brushed him off so roughly) … NNTP newsgroups and always were much more sophisticated both technologically and socially then email lists (whenever possible all my email lists go through gmane.org).

Their decline and decline of Usenet as whole is one of the main reasons why I tend to believe that the bright future already happened and we are just stepping down as less worthy sons of our fathers. Or to quote J.R.R.Tolkien:

“I am a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect ‘history’ to be
anything but a `long defeat’—though it contains (and in
a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or
glimpses of final victory.”

]]> By: álvaro http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-30293 álvaro Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:41:26 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-30293 I've been thinking lately about how Twitter creates a much better environment to have conversations that a "closed"/"walled" form like a mailing list or forum: In twitter if you don't like what somebody is saying, you just unfollow him (which is like the "walk away" situation your describe for parties). That is great because you just unfollow one person and not the entire group. In this sense, you have as many groups as people are in the system because every one has his own group, that he has get to create. Maybe this concept might be introduced in your proposal? You don't get into a walled group, but you start following people who are talking about things that are interesting for you. In this way everyone has to try hard to create their audiences, interesting threads will get RTed and so their authors will get more followers... This has some important drawbacks as that a group might have the same information to be able to work and so on, but maybe with a scheme like this the important things would always be vissible? álvaro I’ve been thinking lately about how Twitter creates a much better environment to have conversations that a “closed”/”walled” form like a mailing list or forum: In twitter if you don’t like what somebody is saying, you just unfollow him (which is like the “walk away” situation your describe for parties).

That is great because you just unfollow one person and not the entire group. In this sense, you have as many groups as people are in the system because every one has his own group, that he has get to create.

Maybe this concept might be introduced in your proposal? You don’t get into a walled group, but you start following people who are talking about things that are interesting for you. In this way everyone has to try hard to create their audiences, interesting threads will get RTed and so their authors will get more followers…

This has some important drawbacks as that a group might have the same information to be able to work and so on, but maybe with a scheme like this the important things would always be vissible?

álvaro

]]> By: Rev http://tieguy.org/blog/2010/03/17/lists-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-30292 Rev Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:33:13 +0000 http://tieguy.org/?p=1838#comment-30292 Your analogy is ironic because mailing lists and parties are both social interactions. So its pretty straightforward that they share the common characteristics of a social interaction. Your analogy is ironic because mailing lists and parties are both social interactions.

So its pretty straightforward that they share the common characteristics of a social interaction.

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