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	<title>Comments on: why I&#8217;m not a big fan of OOo, part 53240</title>
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		<title>By: Are you using OpenOffice.org or MS Office 2007? &#124; Open Source - InfoWorld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you using OpenOffice.org or MS Office 2007? &#124; Open Source - InfoWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] read Luis Villa&#039;s post about why he&#039;s not a big fan of OOo, but is a fan of Office 2007, with great interest. In a [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Fedora Weekly News # 156</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fedora Weekly News # 156</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] [7] http://fedora.co.in/content/how-boot-your-fedora-faster [8] http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/  [9] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/65518.html [10] http://gregdek.livejournal.com/42524.html [11] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog &#124; ABA Journal - Law News Now</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/comment-page-1/#comment-28915</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog &#124; ABA Journal - Law News Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] why I’m not a big fan of OOo, part 53240 [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: OpenOffice.org: OpenOffice.org, Today and Tomorrow</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/comment-page-1/#comment-28789</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenOffice.org: OpenOffice.org, Today and Tomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] famous open source blogger and IBM employee, seems to prefer Microsoft Office 2007, just as Luis Villa [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned latex last year so I wouldn&#039;t have to use impress for presentations. It was rough but worth it. I think o2k7 is fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned latex last year so I wouldn&#8217;t have to use impress for presentations. It was rough but worth it. I think o2k7 is fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Are you using OpenOffice.org? &#124;Open Sources &#124; Rodrigues &#38; Urlocker &#124; InfoWorld</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/comment-page-1/#comment-28786</link>
		<dc:creator>Are you using OpenOffice.org? &#124;Open Sources &#124; Rodrigues &#38; Urlocker &#124; InfoWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] read Luis Villa&#039;s post about why he&#039;s not a big fan of OOo, but is a fan of Office 2007, with great interest. In a [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: FWN/Beats/PlanetFedora - FedoraProject</title>
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		<dc:creator>FWN/Beats/PlanetFedora - FedoraProject</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] comments that he had made criticizing OpenOffice.org&#039;s user interface and praising Office 2007 [*] http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/ Máirín Duffy put together[*] an impressive Lightscribe label template for Fedora [*] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Are you using OpenOffice.org? &#171; rand($thoughts);</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/comment-page-1/#comment-28783</link>
		<dc:creator>Are you using OpenOffice.org? &#171; rand($thoughts);</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Savio Rodrigues under Microsoft &#124; Tags: Microsoft, Office, OOo &#124; &#160;  I read Luis Villa&#8217;s post about why he&#8217;s not a big fan of OOo, but is a fan of Office 2007, with great interest.  In a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leo S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points, if you haven&#039;t read the blog from the UI designers behind office, I would recommend reading it.  Some very interesting discussion about how the 2007 interface came about.

However, Luis you say &quot;still presents that functionality in a way that normal human beings can wrap their heads around&quot;  but your mistake is assuming your experience corresponds to that of &quot;normal human beings&quot;.  You are not a normal human being, you are a highly technical user.   So far I&#039;ve only heard bad things about the 2007 office UI from what I would consider to be normal human beings (professionals whos primary focus is not computers). 

Personally I like the new UI as well, but I&#039;m not about to imagine that most non-technical users like it (since I&#039;ve heard overwhelming personal reports to the contrary).  This might just be a fear of change though.

However, I still think that the ribbon isn&#039;t that great of an interface.  It&#039;s an improvement, but I don&#039;t think it really makes a big difference to most people.  Features have been re-organized based on years of experience, but the fundamental problem of discoverability still remains.  Ribbon tabs or menus, there is not much of a difference when it comes to finding some specific features.   You still end up searching slowly through all the options tab by tab.  The UI overhaul could have been so much better with intelligent integrated search-based menus, but ohwell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points, if you haven&#8217;t read the blog from the UI designers behind office, I would recommend reading it.  Some very interesting discussion about how the 2007 interface came about.</p>
<p>However, Luis you say &#8220;still presents that functionality in a way that normal human beings can wrap their heads around&#8221;  but your mistake is assuming your experience corresponds to that of &#8220;normal human beings&#8221;.  You are not a normal human being, you are a highly technical user.   So far I&#8217;ve only heard bad things about the 2007 office UI from what I would consider to be normal human beings (professionals whos primary focus is not computers). </p>
<p>Personally I like the new UI as well, but I&#8217;m not about to imagine that most non-technical users like it (since I&#8217;ve heard overwhelming personal reports to the contrary).  This might just be a fear of change though.</p>
<p>However, I still think that the ribbon isn&#8217;t that great of an interface.  It&#8217;s an improvement, but I don&#8217;t think it really makes a big difference to most people.  Features have been re-organized based on years of experience, but the fundamental problem of discoverability still remains.  Ribbon tabs or menus, there is not much of a difference when it comes to finding some specific features.   You still end up searching slowly through all the options tab by tab.  The UI overhaul could have been so much better with intelligent integrated search-based menus, but ohwell.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/10/why-im-not-a-big-fan-of-ooo-part-53240/comment-page-1/#comment-28776</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This talk, as posted by Miguel a while ago, is well worth watching:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This talk, as posted by Miguel a while ago, is well worth watching:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx</a></p>
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