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		<title>By: two cool things: ogg support in mozilla and canvas for IE : Christopher Blizzard</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-31331</link>
		<dc:creator>two cool things: ogg support in mozilla and canvas for IE : Christopher Blizzard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog / slight innovation followup says:  December 6, 2008 at 9:48 am [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: edhardy</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28784</link>
		<dc:creator>edhardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing!
http://www.samyibiz.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing!<br />
<a href="http://www.samyibiz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.samyibiz.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28763</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff!

http://www.torrenthub.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.torrenthub.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.torrenthub.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: FWN/Issue155 - FedoraProject</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28742</link>
		<dc:creator>FWN/Issue155 - FedoraProject</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] KDE) in particular. [6] http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/05/the-linux-desktops-change-problem/ [7] http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/ Greg DeKoenigsberg  wrote a few[8] posts[9] chronicling[10] his experiences with Sugar [8] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28731</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jedi: I&#039;d add that, to the extent we&#039;ve had design support in the past, they were often frustrated by the lack of JFDI once their designs were delivered. So the same discipline can be useful if there is designer support on the front end; the important thing is that once there are ideas there is execution and not dickering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jedi: I&#8217;d add that, to the extent we&#8217;ve had design support in the past, they were often frustrated by the lack of JFDI once their designs were delivered. So the same discipline can be useful if there is designer support on the front end; the important thing is that once there are ideas there is execution and not dickering.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28730</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jedi: your complaint isn&#039;t insane; certainly a design-centric process would be ideal. But if I had a paper mockup for every time someone made that complaint, I&#039;d have a pretty damn comprehensive paper mockup. But instead I&#039;ve got a big pile of complaints, and no mockups; not even any designers talking seriously about making any mockups. Instead those designers are either missing/hypothetical, or too busy with other things to... do anything except complain. :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jedi: your complaint isn&#8217;t insane; certainly a design-centric process would be ideal. But if I had a paper mockup for every time someone made that complaint, I&#8217;d have a pretty damn comprehensive paper mockup. But instead I&#8217;ve got a big pile of complaints, and no mockups; not even any designers talking seriously about making any mockups. Instead those designers are either missing/hypothetical, or too busy with other things to&#8230; do anything except complain. :/</p>
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		<title>By: Jedi</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28728</link>
		<dc:creator>Jedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, &quot;JFDI&quot; is what got us into this mess in the first place.  The more people just go off and FDI without any documented requirements based on real data, the more fragmented the user experience becomes.  Where&#039;s the research that informed the current shell discussions?  The usability studies on the paper mockups?  Nope, we&#039;re just bashing on and writing code as usual, and we might tweak it a bit later if it turns out people don&#039;t like it after all.  Epic fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, &#8220;JFDI&#8221; is what got us into this mess in the first place.  The more people just go off and FDI without any documented requirements based on real data, the more fragmented the user experience becomes.  Where&#8217;s the research that informed the current shell discussions?  The usability studies on the paper mockups?  Nope, we&#8217;re just bashing on and writing code as usual, and we might tweak it a bit later if it turns out people don&#8217;t like it after all.  Epic fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Blizzard</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28727</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Blizzard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome.

It&#039;s production-side time.  You&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s production-side time.  You&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Otte</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/06/slight-innovation-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-28724</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Otte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s always a lot of bikeshedding on topics of general interest. WHich is a good thing, you can filter through it to get a feel for what other people want.

Of course, in the end the JFDI people decide what gets implemented. So we&#039;ll all run Owen&#039;s idea of what a panel should look like, not Vincent&#039;s, yours or mine.
Or to quote Peter Hutterer: &quot;Become an active contributor, then you get to decide on what the defaults are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s always a lot of bikeshedding on topics of general interest. WHich is a good thing, you can filter through it to get a feel for what other people want.</p>
<p>Of course, in the end the JFDI people decide what gets implemented. So we&#8217;ll all run Owen&#8217;s idea of what a panel should look like, not Vincent&#8217;s, yours or mine.<br />
Or to quote Peter Hutterer: &#8220;Become an active contributor, then you get to decide on what the defaults are.&#8221;</p>
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