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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Advogato - Recent Blog Entries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Advogato - Recent Blog Entries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] couple things recently (combined with writing this post the other day) made me think about the difficulties in bringing change to the linux [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog / the linux desktop&#8217;s change problem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog / the linux desktop&#8217;s change problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple things recently (combined with writing this post the other day) made me think about the difficulties in bringing change to the linux [...]</description>
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		<title>By: friends</title>
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		<dc:creator>friends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] olpc, sugar]A very wise man said, not too long ago:&quot;If you&#039;re writing a desktop app or desktop development platform of any sort, you should be reading [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: gregdek: La Dolce Vita: chapter 3</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregdek: La Dolce Vita: chapter 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...]   Entry tags:fedora, olpc, sugar  La Dolce Vita: chapter 3 A very wise man said, not too long ago:&quot;If you&#039;re writing a desktop app or desktop development platform of any sort, you should be reading [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Link roundup for November 19 [on Simon Phipps, SunMink]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link roundup for November 19 [on Simon Phipps, SunMink]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] &amp; Feist I prefer Feist&#039;s version - I got the Sexsmith version free from Amazon to compare.dinosaurs+mice, HPUX+Linux, OOo+google office, aka the Innovator&#039;s Dilemma Completely agree with Luis. People who dismiss Google Docs as inferior to OO.o are at the same time [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank: interesting, thanks for the link. I still haven&#039;t read Solution, so maybe I&#039;ll pick it up.

Paul: a proper analysis of the whole problem would have taken much longer than i had. I just wanted to vent because every time I see this issue discussed people make basic, fundamental errors that are painfully obvious to anyone who has read the book. A more full blown analysis would definitely be useful; I&#039;m not sure it would lead to mobile but it would certainly suggest that there are specific economics and user experience features which must be present if anyone want to compete with the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank: interesting, thanks for the link. I still haven&#8217;t read Solution, so maybe I&#8217;ll pick it up.</p>
<p>Paul: a proper analysis of the whole problem would have taken much longer than i had. I just wanted to vent because every time I see this issue discussed people make basic, fundamental errors that are painfully obvious to anyone who has read the book. A more full blown analysis would definitely be useful; I&#8217;m not sure it would lead to mobile but it would certainly suggest that there are specific economics and user experience features which must be present if anyone want to compete with the web.</p>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; links for 2008-11-18</title>
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		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; links for 2008-11-18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Luis Villa’s Blog / dinosaurs+mice, HPUX+Linux, OOo+google office, aka the Innovator’s Dilemma +1 (tags: luisvoilla linux oo.o google microsoft office innovatorsdilemma) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Frank Hecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis: I&#039;ll make a case for having &lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Whats-Next-Theories-Innovation/dp/1591391857/?tag=frankhecker-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seeing What&#039;s Next&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; be someone&#039;s initial introduction to Christensen&#039;s ideas. It recapitulates the main ideas of &lt;cite&gt;The Innovator&#039;s Dilemma&lt;/cite&gt; and &lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Solution-Creating-Sustaining-Successful/dp/1578518520/?tag=frankhecker-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Innovator&#039;s Solution&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;, and adds some interesting case studies and useful new material on how to recognize where disruptive innovation is likely to be successful (or not, as the case may be).

Paul: You ask &quot;while web apps, in particular office apps, may not take over initially ‘the enterprise’ what is their niche?&quot; From my experience I think web apps are most useful when the final product is itself web-based: for example, the spreadsheet whose sole purpose is to generate a table or graphic  for a blog post. Also, I think developers of FOSS client applications should most definitely focus on mobile devices instead of trying to chase the taillights of Microsoft Office et.al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis: I&#8217;ll make a case for having <cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Whats-Next-Theories-Innovation/dp/1591391857/?tag=frankhecker-20" rel="nofollow">Seeing What&#8217;s Next</a></cite> be someone&#8217;s initial introduction to Christensen&#8217;s ideas. It recapitulates the main ideas of <cite>The Innovator&#8217;s Dilemma</cite> and <cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Solution-Creating-Sustaining-Successful/dp/1578518520/?tag=frankhecker-20" rel="nofollow">The Innovator&#8217;s Solution</a></cite>, and adds some interesting case studies and useful new material on how to recognize where disruptive innovation is likely to be successful (or not, as the case may be).</p>
<p>Paul: You ask &#8220;while web apps, in particular office apps, may not take over initially ‘the enterprise’ what is their niche?&#8221; From my experience I think web apps are most useful when the final product is itself web-based: for example, the spreadsheet whose sole purpose is to generate a table or graphic  for a blog post. Also, I think developers of FOSS client applications should most definitely focus on mobile devices instead of trying to chase the taillights of Microsoft Office et.al.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other things about the disruptive innovation is that by not having the same cost model / overheads as the incumbent they find new niches to which they&#039;re ideally suited and end up taking over - the classic example in the book is that 8&#039;&#039; drives didn&#039;t take over from 14&#039;&#039; in mainframes they found their niche in mini-computers, 5&#039;&#039; didn&#039;t displace 8&#039;&#039; in minis they found their niche in PC&#039;s, 2.5&#039;&#039; in laptops, (and although not in the book, now we have SSD&#039;s in netbooks)

So with that in mind there are two avenues for thought: while web apps, in particular office apps, may not take over initially &#039;the enterprise&#039; what is their niche? The casual consumer, the adhoc collaborators would seem to be obvious candidates but who knows for sure yet.

The second line of thought is that if you writing FOSS client applications, or a FOSS client platform (which still has the traits of being a disruptive innovation not necessarily in features but in development / business model) is to think what could be our niche - a candidate could be mobile devices which have different economics than fat client PCs / laptops and much less standardisation of UI and tolerance of new / different UX. Of course I have significant interest in this area so take with salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other things about the disruptive innovation is that by not having the same cost model / overheads as the incumbent they find new niches to which they&#8217;re ideally suited and end up taking over &#8211; the classic example in the book is that 8&#8221; drives didn&#8217;t take over from 14&#8221; in mainframes they found their niche in mini-computers, 5&#8221; didn&#8217;t displace 8&#8221; in minis they found their niche in PC&#8217;s, 2.5&#8221; in laptops, (and although not in the book, now we have SSD&#8217;s in netbooks)</p>
<p>So with that in mind there are two avenues for thought: while web apps, in particular office apps, may not take over initially &#8216;the enterprise&#8217; what is their niche? The casual consumer, the adhoc collaborators would seem to be obvious candidates but who knows for sure yet.</p>
<p>The second line of thought is that if you writing FOSS client applications, or a FOSS client platform (which still has the traits of being a disruptive innovation not necessarily in features but in development / business model) is to think what could be our niche &#8211; a candidate could be mobile devices which have different economics than fat client PCs / laptops and much less standardisation of UI and tolerance of new / different UX. Of course I have significant interest in this area so take with salt.</p>
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