Comments on: decadence http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/ Ramblings on law school in New York, free software, and the spaces in between. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:34:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27337 Luis Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:02:14 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27337 Kevin: I think that's an interesting point about the QT<->KDE relationship; if people give you new tools that they developed for other motivations, it may be easier to get things bootstrapped. That said, I don't actually think KDE4 is particularly innovative from what I've seen of it. There is some interesting stuff, but nothing that makes me think 'this is fundamentally different from windows 3.1.' Maybe I'm missing it, though. Kevin: I think that’s an interesting point about the QT< ->KDE relationship; if people give you new tools that they developed for other motivations, it may be easier to get things bootstrapped.

That said, I don’t actually think KDE4 is particularly innovative from what I’ve seen of it. There is some interesting stuff, but nothing that makes me think ‘this is fundamentally different from windows 3.1.’ Maybe I’m missing it, though.

]]> By: The Phrygian Cap http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27335 The Phrygian Cap Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:39:44 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27335 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] a little less conversation... ... a little more action! andy wingo, luis villa, havoc pennington, calum benson, jono bacon, alberto ruiz, mikkel kamstrup, rodney dawes, richard [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] a little less conversation… … a little more action! andy wingo, luis villa, havoc pennington, calum benson, jono bacon, alberto ruiz, mikkel kamstrup, rodney dawes, richard [...]

]]> By: Kevin Kofler http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27333 Kevin Kofler Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:29:06 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27333 Yet KDE has found the willpower to do something new with KDE 4, so why can't GNOME? I don't want to leave this completely unanswered though, so here's my theory: I guess GNOME essentially controlling GTK+, which was always touted as an advantage, is actually a drawback: in KDE world, Trolltech picked up the initiative by making major changes to Qt in Qt 4, KDE in turn had to port to that and used the opportunity to make major changes of their own, also using some of the cool new features in Qt 4. That kind of initiative is missing in the GTK+/GNOME world. Yet KDE has found the willpower to do something new with KDE 4, so why can’t GNOME? I don’t want to leave this completely unanswered though, so here’s my theory: I guess GNOME essentially controlling GTK+, which was always touted as an advantage, is actually a drawback: in KDE world, Trolltech picked up the initiative by making major changes to Qt in Qt 4, KDE in turn had to port to that and used the opportunity to make major changes of their own, also using some of the cool new features in Qt 4. That kind of initiative is missing in the GTK+/GNOME world.

]]> By: Decadence of the Enterprise Desktop http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27330 Decadence of the Enterprise Desktop Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:08:44 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27330 [...] Luis Villa - (new) Has talked about this subject before and drops a handful still-relevant links to his old posts. [...] [...] Luis Villa - (new) Has talked about this subject before and drops a handful still-relevant links to his old posts. [...]

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27328 Luis Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:52:32 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27328 <i>For instance Gnome really is not THAT big of a creature to recreate.</i> hahahahaha. Spoken like someone who has never managed creation of a mail client or file manager... For instance Gnome really is not THAT big of a creature to recreate.
hahahahaha. Spoken like someone who has never managed creation of a mail client or file manager…

]]> By: troll http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27327 troll Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:51:14 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27327 Making those next waves means sometimes surprisingly little amount of work. For instance Gnome really is not THAT big of a creature to recreate. The problem is in vision and management, not in the amount of available or active work force. Making those next waves means sometimes surprisingly little amount of work. For instance Gnome really is not THAT big of a creature to recreate. The problem is in vision and management, not in the amount of available or active work force.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27326 Luis Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:25:10 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27326 It's a little of both ideas and manpower. In particular, I think GNOME (any mature project, really) tends to attract people who are satisfied with the state of things as they are. You may well need to reach out to a new community of people to find those who aren't satisfied with the current state of things and want radically new features like what you're proposing. It isn't coincidence that GNOME wasn't written by emacs hackers- they were (mostly) satisfied with what they had; it needed new, different blood to push for GNOME. I have a feeling the same will be true of the next wave, though I'd love to be wrong. It’s a little of both ideas and manpower. In particular, I think GNOME (any mature project, really) tends to attract people who are satisfied with the state of things as they are. You may well need to reach out to a new community of people to find those who aren’t satisfied with the current state of things and want radically new features like what you’re proposing. It isn’t coincidence that GNOME wasn’t written by emacs hackers- they were (mostly) satisfied with what they had; it needed new, different blood to push for GNOME. I have a feeling the same will be true of the next wave, though I’d love to be wrong.

]]> By: John Stowers http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27325 John Stowers Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:19:29 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27325 Seeing It seems like we can blow our own trumpet....., I have been ranting for ages about the need for someone to help me write a conduit.net online sync backed for GNOME, that integrates into the desktop the same way Conduit does. No takers, and I would rather finish Conduit first. But alas, the real problem is not a shortage of ideas, its a shortage of manpower, and more specifically, a shortage of people who finish work they start, or propose to start. Seeing It seems like we can blow our own trumpet….., I have been ranting for ages about the need for someone to help me write a conduit.net online sync backed for GNOME, that integrates into the desktop the same way Conduit does. No takers, and I would rather finish Conduit first.

But alas, the real problem is not a shortage of ideas, its a shortage of manpower, and more specifically, a shortage of people who finish work they start, or propose to start.

]]> By: whoisi.com: Follow your friends on the Internet. http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-27324 whoisi.com: Follow your friends on the Internet. Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:15:50 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-27324 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] twitter, friendfeed, techmeme 2 hours ago Luis Villa: Luis Villa's Blog   Follow Person decadence   2 hours ago Miguel de Icaza: Twitter   Follow Person @sogrady, that works, but, i [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] twitter, friendfeed, techmeme 2 hours ago Luis Villa: Luis Villa’s Blog   Follow Person decadence   2 hours ago Miguel de Icaza: Twitter   Follow Person @sogrady, that works, but, i [...]

]]> By: The Linux Gang - Daily Top Blog Posts on Linux - Powered by SocialRank http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/06/11/decadence/#comment-28140 The Linux Gang - Daily Top Blog Posts on Linux - Powered by SocialRank Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/?p=1240#comment-28140 <!--%kramer-pre%-->2.Luis Villa: decadencetieguy.org6 commentsSocialRank I’d contribute to the decadence discussion, except I think I’ve already said what needed to be said three years ago and a year and a half ago and again.I will, though, point to this (and other posts that<!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technorati2.Luis Villa: decadencetieguy.org6 commentsSocialRank I’d contribute to the decadence discussion, except I think I’ve already said what needed to be said three years ago and a year and a half ago and again.I will, though, point to this (and other posts that

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