Comments on: firefox nitpicks, revisited http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/ Ramblings on law school in New York, free software, and the spaces in between. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:14:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Gregarius » Planet GNOME http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-26037 Gregarius » Planet GNOME Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:59:16 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-26037 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Luis Villa: firefox nitpicks, revisited [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Luis Villa: firefox nitpicks, revisited [...]

]]> By: katzj: Firefox 3 in Fedora http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-26021 katzj: Firefox 3 in Fedora Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:38:32 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-26021 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] about switching (back) to Epiphany full-time, but Firefox 3 is looking pretty good and I agree with Luis's general sentiment of it just feeling like it fits in better now.(Post a new [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] about switching (back) to Epiphany full-time, but Firefox 3 is looking pretty good and I agree with Luis’s general sentiment of it just feeling like it fits in better now.(Post a new [...]

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25958 Luis Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:07:02 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25958 Hah. Thanks ;) And good luck on the webkit stuff; certainly I hope it works out as you think it might. Hah. Thanks ;) And good luck on the webkit stuff; certainly I hope it works out as you think it might.

]]> By: Xan http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25957 Xan Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:05:22 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25957 Sorry about the elections results btw. 18 people not voting for you, what a shame. Sorry about the elections results btw. 18 people not voting for you, what a shame.

]]> By: Xan http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25956 Xan Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:52:29 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25956 Luis: very true. I honestly don't think it's possible to beat Firefox in their own game with the manpower Epiphany has. My personal opinion is that Epiphany/WebKit could give the project the differentiator it needs and the ability to do some deep integration that is far from easy to achieve with Gecko. That's why I'm spending my free time hacking on that, but of course it's only my personal opinion. Luis: very true. I honestly don’t think it’s possible to beat Firefox in their own game with the manpower Epiphany has. My personal opinion is that Epiphany/WebKit could give the project the differentiator it needs and the ability to do some deep integration that is far from easy to achieve with Gecko. That’s why I’m spending my free time hacking on that, but of course it’s only my personal opinion.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25954 Luis Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:57:46 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25954 Xan: awesome. So now epiphany has to ask 'why us'? I'm afraid being a slight bit faster and a slight bit better integrated isn't the answer- it needs to figure out some really innovative bits that firefox can't do (or can only do slowly) to leap ahead. Doing prism in a more gnome-y way would be one such thing- I still strongly suggest it. Xan: awesome. So now epiphany has to ask ‘why us’? I’m afraid being a slight bit faster and a slight bit better integrated isn’t the answer- it needs to figure out some really innovative bits that firefox can’t do (or can only do slowly) to leap ahead. Doing prism in a more gnome-y way would be one such thing- I still strongly suggest it.

]]> By: Xan http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25945 Xan Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:01:09 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25945 Regarding "speed", when Epiphany starts using Gecko 1.9 (the version coming with FF3) it will take more or less the same amount of time to launch both browsers. Saying "FF3 loads faster than epiphany" does not really make much sense, the differences will be always quite marginal until Gecko is so massively optimized that the bottleneck starts to be the UI/other bits, which the browsers don't share. Regarding “speed”, when Epiphany starts using Gecko 1.9 (the version coming with FF3) it will take more or less the same amount of time to launch both browsers. Saying “FF3 loads faster than epiphany” does not really make much sense, the differences will be always quite marginal until Gecko is so massively optimized that the bottleneck starts to be the UI/other bits, which the browsers don’t share.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25944 Luis Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:20:32 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25944 Vax: oh... that focus problem (google-as-homepage) is the javascript problem? Then, yes, I hate it. A lot. Vax: oh… that focus problem (google-as-homepage) is the javascript problem? Then, yes, I hate it. A lot.

]]> By: Vax http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25942 Vax Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:49:19 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25942 The javascript focus problem bites me all the time since I use google as a home page. Creating a new window and hitting Ctrl+L lets you start entering a new address, but if google.com loads slowly then its javascript grabs focus for the search box while you're typing. Also, I've had problems with text boxes and focus. If you are ctrl-tabbing through tabs and you hit a page with focus in a textarea, you get stuck on that page until you switch the focus to another element. The javascript focus problem bites me all the time since I use google as a home page. Creating a new window and hitting Ctrl+L lets you start entering a new address, but if google.com loads slowly then its javascript grabs focus for the search box while you’re typing.

Also, I’ve had problems with text boxes and focus. If you are ctrl-tabbing through tabs and you hit a page with focus in a textarea, you get stuck on that page until you switch the focus to another element.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25941 Luis Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:24:59 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/08/firefox-nitpicks-revisited/#comment-25941 Michael: tab history definitely doesn't work here. To be clear, what I mean is that I right-click on a link, select "open in new tab", and then I expect when that tab opens I should be able to hit 'back' to go back to the page I started from. (For those seeing the problem in ffox2, the fix is the <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1859" rel="nofollow">tab history addon.</a> Havoc: I haven't noticed it, but maybe that is in part because I've been (mostly) using desktop effects, which means I'm fucked on focus anyway. Can't wait for iain to finish giving a proper window manager the necessary 3D features. Emmanuele: You're right, but I didn't bother to comment on it because I think all the distros have a patch for that. Why it isn't upstream I have no idea. Michael: tab history definitely doesn’t work here. To be clear, what I mean is that I right-click on a link, select “open in new tab”, and then I expect when that tab opens I should be able to hit ‘back’ to go back to the page I started from. (For those seeing the problem in ffox2, the fix is the tab history addon.

Havoc: I haven’t noticed it, but maybe that is in part because I’ve been (mostly) using desktop effects, which means I’m fucked on focus anyway. Can’t wait for iain to finish giving a proper window manager the necessary 3D features.

Emmanuele: You’re right, but I didn’t bother to comment on it because I think all the distros have a patch for that. Why it isn’t upstream I have no idea.

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