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	<title>Comments on: the Live Journal sale as something more than corporate transaction</title>
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	<description>Ramblings on law school in New York, free software, and the spaces in between.</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25895</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUP's role for the past 12 months has not been "in control", but only for marketing and support with no access to the content database. The problem with the censoring that SA has done is that it's been completely ad-hoc with no clear guidelines (or they contradict their own policies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUP&#8217;s role for the past 12 months has not been &#8220;in control&#8221;, but only for marketing and support with no access to the content database. The problem with the censoring that SA has done is that it&#8217;s been completely ad-hoc with no clear guidelines (or they contradict their own policies).</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25894</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... so let me get this straight. You are:
1. complaining that Six Apart has been heavily censoring LJ; but 
2. think that the SUP buyout will be bad the LJ community, despite the well-known fact that
3. SUP has done virtually no censorship in its part of LJ for the 12 months that it has been in control?

Hello, logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; so let me get this straight. You are:<br />
1. complaining that Six Apart has been heavily censoring LJ; but<br />
2. think that the SUP buyout will be bad the LJ community, despite the well-known fact that<br />
3. SUP has done virtually no censorship in its part of LJ for the 12 months that it has been in control?</p>
<p>Hello, logic?</p>
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		<title>By: sniping.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Soviet Russia, LiveJournal Blogs on You!</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25891</link>
		<dc:creator>sniping.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Soviet Russia, LiveJournal Blogs on You!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are.&#160; I was expecting him to speak up on this issue, and am glad to have his input.&#160; Luis Villa also throws in his thoughts, as well as the thoughts of a former coworker of his.&#160; Luis knows his way around law, free [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are.&#160; I was expecting him to speak up on this issue, and am glad to have his input.&#160; Luis Villa also throws in his thoughts, as well as the thoughts of a former coworker of his.&#160; Luis knows his way around law, free [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tao of Foo: Sweet!</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25888</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao of Foo: Sweet!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] didn't know that today would be the day when I show up on Planet Gnome and Planet Fedora in naught but my undies. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://tieguy.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] didn&#8217;t know that today would be the day when I show up on Planet Gnome and Planet Fedora in naught but my undies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25887</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icon: seriously. (Limited to CC-BY and CC-SA, of course. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icon: seriously. (Limited to CC-BY and CC-SA, of course. :)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25885</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a &lt;a href="http://burningbird.net/technology/stuff-8/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;few comments&lt;/a&gt; on this at Burningbird - the main point was SixApart proved unable to manage the LJ community, having bought it for the tech. And they couldn't even get the tech right - journals were recently restricted to 1000 tags for performance reasons, which will have a huge affect on community journals.

The buyout was the tipping point for my friend Grahame to switch - he exported his journal with &lt;a href="http://fawx.com/software/ljarchive" rel="nofollow"&gt;LJ archive&lt;/a&gt; (there's a &lt;a href="http://code.sixapart.com/svn/livejournal/trunk/src/jbackup/jbackup.pl" rel="nofollow"&gt;perl script&lt;/a&gt;, but it wasn't as good) into a wordpress install http://grahame.angrygoats.net/blog/ He'd been wanting to switch for some time due to the content censorship earlier this year, but hadn't wanted to use wordpress for quality reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a <a href="http://burningbird.net/technology/stuff-8/#comments" rel="nofollow">few comments</a> on this at Burningbird - the main point was SixApart proved unable to manage the LJ community, having bought it for the tech. And they couldn&#8217;t even get the tech right - journals were recently restricted to 1000 tags for performance reasons, which will have a huge affect on community journals.</p>
<p>The buyout was the tipping point for my friend Grahame to switch - he exported his journal with <a href="http://fawx.com/software/ljarchive" rel="nofollow">LJ archive</a> (there&#8217;s a <a href="http://code.sixapart.com/svn/livejournal/trunk/src/jbackup/jbackup.pl" rel="nofollow">perl script</a>, but it wasn&#8217;t as good) into a wordpress install <a href="http://grahame.angrygoats.net/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://grahame.angrygoats.net/blog/</a> He&#8217;d been wanting to switch for some time due to the content censorship earlier this year, but hadn&#8217;t wanted to use wordpress for quality reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Icon</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Icon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, you found that by searching for "russia you?" 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, you found that by searching for &#8220;russia you?&#8221; 8)</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25882</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense taken, since your solution implies even more lawyerly job creation than the current situation. :) I do agree that legislation will likely end up being part of the cure here- we likely won't be able to bootstrap ourselves like we did with the GPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense taken, since your solution implies even more lawyerly job creation than the current situation. :) I do agree that legislation will likely end up being part of the cure here- we likely won&#8217;t be able to bootstrap ourselves like we did with the GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25881</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Say what you will about Microsoft, but they can’t sell Office to someone and then retroactively turn over all your documents to the new KGB.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They can with Hotmail, though.

While this isn't a popular answer in some circles, the correct long-term answer to this is not "open protocols", which provide an escape route but no damage limitation. It's to stop allowing software startups and IP lawyers (no offense) to treat software-as-a-service as an inherently different sort of thing from any other service, like banks or utility companies. Your contract with your blog provider should be much, much firmer than a EULA hosted on the company website.

 - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Say what you will about Microsoft, but they can’t sell Office to someone and then retroactively turn over all your documents to the new KGB.</p></blockquote>
<p>They can with Hotmail, though.</p>
<p>While this isn&#8217;t a popular answer in some circles, the correct long-term answer to this is not &#8220;open protocols&#8221;, which provide an escape route but no damage limitation. It&#8217;s to stop allowing software startups and IP lawyers (no offense) to treat software-as-a-service as an inherently different sort of thing from any other service, like banks or utility companies. Your contract with your blog provider should be much, much firmer than a EULA hosted on the company website.</p>
<p> - Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/#comment-25880</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: yup. See also &lt;a href="http://tieguy.org/blog/category/openservice/" rel="nofollow"&gt;my thinking on openservices generally.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: yup. See also <a href="http://tieguy.org/blog/category/openservice/" rel="nofollow">my thinking on openservices generally.</a></p>
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