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	<title>Comments on: the Live Journal sale as something more than corporate transaction</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25895</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUP&#039;s role for the past 12 months has not been &quot;in control&quot;, but only for marketing and support with no access to the content database. The problem with the censoring that SA has done is that it&#039;s been completely ad-hoc with no clear guidelines (or they contradict their own policies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUP&#8217;s role for the past 12 months has not been &#8220;in control&#8221;, but only for marketing and support with no access to the content database. The problem with the censoring that SA has done is that it&#8217;s been completely ad-hoc with no clear guidelines (or they contradict their own policies).</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25894</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... so let me get this straight. You are:
1. complaining that Six Apart has been heavily censoring LJ; but 
2. think that the SUP buyout will be bad the LJ community, despite the well-known fact that
3. SUP has done virtually no censorship in its part of LJ for the 12 months that it has been in control?

Hello, logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; so let me get this straight. You are:<br />
1. complaining that Six Apart has been heavily censoring LJ; but<br />
2. think that the SUP buyout will be bad the LJ community, despite the well-known fact that<br />
3. SUP has done virtually no censorship in its part of LJ for the 12 months that it has been in control?</p>
<p>Hello, logic?</p>
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		<title>By: sniping.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Soviet Russia, LiveJournal Blogs on You!</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25891</link>
		<dc:creator>sniping.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Soviet Russia, LiveJournal Blogs on You!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are.&#160; I was expecting him to speak up on this issue, and am glad to have his input.&#160; Luis Villa also throws in his thoughts, as well as the thoughts of a former coworker of his.&#160; Luis knows his way around law, free [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are.&#160; I was expecting him to speak up on this issue, and am glad to have his input.&#160; Luis Villa also throws in his thoughts, as well as the thoughts of a former coworker of his.&#160; Luis knows his way around law, free [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tao of Foo: Sweet!</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25888</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao of Foo: Sweet!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] didn&#039;t know that today would be the day when I show up on Planet Gnome and Planet Fedora in naught but my undies. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://tieguy.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] didn&#8217;t know that today would be the day when I show up on Planet Gnome and Planet Fedora in naught but my undies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25887</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icon: seriously. (Limited to CC-BY and CC-SA, of course. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icon: seriously. (Limited to CC-BY and CC-SA, of course. :)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25885</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a &lt;a href=&quot;http://burningbird.net/technology/stuff-8/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;few comments&lt;/a&gt; on this at Burningbird - the main point was SixApart proved unable to manage the LJ community, having bought it for the tech. And they couldn&#039;t even get the tech right - journals were recently restricted to 1000 tags for performance reasons, which will have a huge affect on community journals.

The buyout was the tipping point for my friend Grahame to switch - he exported his journal with &lt;a href=&quot;http://fawx.com/software/ljarchive&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LJ archive&lt;/a&gt; (there&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://code.sixapart.com/svn/livejournal/trunk/src/jbackup/jbackup.pl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;perl script&lt;/a&gt;, but it wasn&#039;t as good) into a wordpress install http://grahame.angrygoats.net/blog/ He&#039;d been wanting to switch for some time due to the content censorship earlier this year, but hadn&#039;t wanted to use wordpress for quality reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a <a href="http://burningbird.net/technology/stuff-8/#comments" rel="nofollow">few comments</a> on this at Burningbird &#8211; the main point was SixApart proved unable to manage the LJ community, having bought it for the tech. And they couldn&#8217;t even get the tech right &#8211; journals were recently restricted to 1000 tags for performance reasons, which will have a huge affect on community journals.</p>
<p>The buyout was the tipping point for my friend Grahame to switch &#8211; he exported his journal with <a href="http://fawx.com/software/ljarchive" rel="nofollow">LJ archive</a> (there&#8217;s a <a href="http://code.sixapart.com/svn/livejournal/trunk/src/jbackup/jbackup.pl" rel="nofollow">perl script</a>, but it wasn&#8217;t as good) into a wordpress install <a href="http://grahame.angrygoats.net/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://grahame.angrygoats.net/blog/</a> He&#8217;d been wanting to switch for some time due to the content censorship earlier this year, but hadn&#8217;t wanted to use wordpress for quality reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Icon</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Icon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, you found that by searching for &quot;russia you?&quot; 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, you found that by searching for &#8220;russia you?&#8221; 8)</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25882</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense taken, since your solution implies even more lawyerly job creation than the current situation. :) I do agree that legislation will likely end up being part of the cure here- we likely won&#039;t be able to bootstrap ourselves like we did with the GPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense taken, since your solution implies even more lawyerly job creation than the current situation. :) I do agree that legislation will likely end up being part of the cure here- we likely won&#8217;t be able to bootstrap ourselves like we did with the GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25881</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Say what you will about Microsoft, but they can’t sell Office to someone and then retroactively turn over all your documents to the new KGB.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They can with Hotmail, though.

While this isn&#039;t a popular answer in some circles, the correct long-term answer to this is not &quot;open protocols&quot;, which provide an escape route but no damage limitation. It&#039;s to stop allowing software startups and IP lawyers (no offense) to treat software-as-a-service as an inherently different sort of thing from any other service, like banks or utility companies. Your contract with your blog provider should be much, much firmer than a EULA hosted on the company website.

 - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Say what you will about Microsoft, but they can’t sell Office to someone and then retroactively turn over all your documents to the new KGB.</p></blockquote>
<p>They can with Hotmail, though.</p>
<p>While this isn&#8217;t a popular answer in some circles, the correct long-term answer to this is not &#8220;open protocols&#8221;, which provide an escape route but no damage limitation. It&#8217;s to stop allowing software startups and IP lawyers (no offense) to treat software-as-a-service as an inherently different sort of thing from any other service, like banks or utility companies. Your contract with your blog provider should be much, much firmer than a EULA hosted on the company website.</p>
<p> &#8211; Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/05/the-live-journal-sale-as-something-more-than-corporate-transaction/comment-page-1/#comment-25880</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: yup. See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://tieguy.org/blog/category/openservice/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my thinking on openservices generally.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: yup. See also <a href="http://tieguy.org/blog/category/openservice/" rel="nofollow">my thinking on openservices generally.</a></p>
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