Comments on: oh great lazyweb- of video cards and portrait monitors, again http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/ Ramblings on software, law, and the spaces in between. Wed, 23 May 2012 07:48:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Radeon R5xx 3D programming guide released [LWN.net] http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-26532 Radeon R5xx 3D programming guide released [LWN.net] Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:26:44 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-26532 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Feb 26, 2008 17:19 UTC (Tue) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] (Sadly it doesn't answer my personal question, which has to do with dual-head, but should at least be useful for [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Feb 26, 2008 17:19 UTC (Tue) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] (Sadly it doesn’t answer my personal question, which has to do with dual-head, but should at least be useful for [...]

]]> By: Alex Deucher http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24765 Alex Deucher Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:37:01 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24765 The latest intel drivers support fully accelerated rotation. The ati/radeon driver has never supported rotation; I added some code to do so in the randr-1.2 branch, but it doesn't work yet. The latest intel drivers support fully accelerated rotation. The ati/radeon driver has never supported rotation; I added some code to do so in the randr-1.2 branch, but it doesn’t work yet.

]]> By: Planet DHG http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24764 Planet DHG Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:29:51 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24764 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Luis Villa — oh great lazyweb- of video cards and portrait monitors, again [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Luis Villa — oh great lazyweb- of video cards and portrait monitors, again [...]

]]> By: Hub http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24761 Hub Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:27:49 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24761 Clearly not Nvidia. The nv free driver does not even do 1600x1200 over DVI (need to switch to VGA). Yes, even resolution switching seems to be Nvidia secret. Anyway I only have one of those Dell... Clearly not Nvidia. The nv free driver does not even do 1600×1200 over DVI (need to switch to VGA). Yes, even resolution switching seems to be Nvidia secret.

Anyway I only have one of those Dell…

]]> By: Ralph Giles http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24758 Ralph Giles Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:24:04 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24758 I have two <a href="http://www.samsung.com/ca/products/monitor/archivedmonitor/mj17bsabv.asp" rel="nofollow">Samsung 710T</a>s which also rotate on their bases. I'm quite happy with them, but have never tried them in portrait mode. They don't make that model any more, but a number of their newer ones have a pivot base. On the other hand if $400 is too much, They may not be an option. <a href="http://www.samsung.com/ca/products/monitor/lcd_regular/ls17habtbvxaa.asp?page=Specifications" rel="nofollow">This</a> seems to be the modern edition of the same thing, which is listed locally for $300. My only other advice would be to remember that monitors last longer than computers do, so it makes sense to spend two generations worth of money on them. I have two Samsung 710Ts which also rotate on their bases. I’m quite happy with them, but have never tried them in portrait mode. They don’t make that model any more, but a number of their newer ones have a pivot base.

On the other hand if $400 is too much, They may not be an option. This seems to be the modern edition of the same thing, which is listed locally for $300.

My only other advice would be to remember that monitors last longer than computers do, so it makes sense to spend two generations worth of money on them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24753 Anonymous Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:11:19 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24753 Intel integrated graphics can do this nicely, assuming you have enough outputs (you can add an SDVO card for ~$15 to get an additional port). In particular, the more recent integrated graphics chipsets, such as the 3000, X3000, and newer, should continue supporting accelerated operation after you rotate. And, of course, they support randr 1.2, so you can rotate on the fly; if the monitors provide some kind of feedback when they rotate, you could have that happen automatically. Intel integrated graphics can do this nicely, assuming you have enough outputs (you can add an SDVO card for ~$15 to get an additional port). In particular, the more recent integrated graphics chipsets, such as the 3000, X3000, and newer, should continue supporting accelerated operation after you rotate. And, of course, they support randr 1.2, so you can rotate on the fly; if the monitors provide some kind of feedback when they rotate, you could have that happen automatically.

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24752 Scott Carpenter Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:52:37 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24752 Top half appears <i>below</i> the bottom half. :-) Top half appears below the bottom half. :-)

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24751 Scott Carpenter Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:27:20 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24751 Nothing helpful to offer here, but your requirements sound a lot like mine, Luis. I have two Dell 19" flat panels that I had used in portrait mode in Windows and really liked that configuration. In Ubuntu, I'm cheating for now and using the proprietary nvidia drivers to drive them both with Xinerama, but haven't gotten around to seeing if they can handle portrait mode. (I don't see an obvious way to do it.) Still have problems: Occasionally have had Xorg go to 100% when opening OOo, locking the display up for minutes or hours. Also have this problem on three different machines running Ubuntu or Fedora, free or proprietary drivers: Images get chopped up in Firefox. That is, an image displayed on a web page may be split and the top half appears above the bottom half. Haven't been able to find anything in Google on this. The things I can think of to search for turn up a random assortment of results. Doesn't happen all the time, and if it does happen, refreshing the page will usually fix it. Very disconcerting. Nothing helpful to offer here, but your requirements sound a lot like mine, Luis. I have two Dell 19″ flat panels that I had used in portrait mode in Windows and really liked that configuration.

In Ubuntu, I’m cheating for now and using the proprietary nvidia drivers to drive them both with Xinerama, but haven’t gotten around to seeing if they can handle portrait mode. (I don’t see an obvious way to do it.)

Still have problems: Occasionally have had Xorg go to 100% when opening OOo, locking the display up for minutes or hours.

Also have this problem on three different machines running Ubuntu or Fedora, free or proprietary drivers: Images get chopped up in Firefox. That is, an image displayed on a web page may be split and the top half appears above the bottom half. Haven’t been able to find anything in Google on this. The things I can think of to search for turn up a random assortment of results. Doesn’t happen all the time, and if it does happen, refreshing the page will usually fix it. Very disconcerting.

]]> By: Tobias http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24747 Tobias Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:01:07 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24747 This borders on an answer you didn't ask for, but well ... I have this Dell LCD in the lab (non-wide) and while it photometrically has a good wide color gamut I get tearing when scrolling web pages or moving windows in single portrait mode (under WinXP and the Nvidia driver, hehe). Perhaps rotation to portrait in principle is slower? And subpixel font rendering is less useful with vertical RGB. This borders on an answer you didn’t ask for, but well …
I have this Dell LCD in the lab (non-wide) and while it photometrically has a good wide color gamut I get tearing when scrolling web pages or moving windows in single portrait mode (under WinXP and the Nvidia driver, hehe). Perhaps rotation to portrait in principle is slower? And subpixel font rendering is less useful with vertical RGB.

]]> By: Marius Gedminas http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/comment-page-1/#comment-24746 Marius Gedminas Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:59:51 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/08/10/oh-great-lazyweb-of-video-cards-and-portrait-monitors-again/#comment-24746 My Radeon Mobility 7500 with the free driver supported dual-head just fine, but I never got rotation working. I didn't try that hard, though. My Intel X3100 supports rotation with xrandr 1.2 out of the box (after some pain getting it to work at all with latest Ubuntu Gutsy), but is horrifically slow. I can't stop thinking that Compiz Fusion could handle rotation on any card that had OpenGL, with a little work. Well, maybe not so little, given things like hardware mouse cursors or input coordinate transformations. My Radeon Mobility 7500 with the free driver supported dual-head just fine, but I never got rotation working. I didn’t try that hard, though.

My Intel X3100 supports rotation with xrandr 1.2 out of the box (after some pain getting it to work at all with latest Ubuntu Gutsy), but is horrifically slow.

I can’t stop thinking that Compiz Fusion could handle rotation on any card that had OpenGL, with a little work. Well, maybe not so little, given things like hardware mouse cursors or input coordinate transformations.

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