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	<title>Comments on: a word of thanks for those who work instead of rant (or, do as ESR says, not as ESR does)</title>
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		<title>By: Mandriva Linux Archives: cooker@mandrivalinux.org</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/comment-page-1/#comment-30044</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] faster with latest perl-URPM &gt; My reference for thoses test are : &gt; - this blog entry : &gt; http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-s... &gt; &gt; - this mail : &gt; https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/dulug/2007-February/017511.html [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: free-bees.co.uk - News Archive - 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>free-bees.co.uk - News Archive - 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] news is that something positive came out of a certain somebody leaving Fedora for Ubuntu - namely a speedup in yum. Speaking of code, the open source community has asked Ballmer to show us the code to prove that [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog / a word of thanks for those who work instead of rant (or, do as ESR says, not as ESR does)</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/comment-page-1/#comment-18761</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Villa&#8217;s Blog / a word of thanks for those who work instead of rant (or, do as ESR says, not as ESR does)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] make their way into the jargon file? Stole my cultural heritage indeed.)   Post a comment &#8212; Trackback URI RSS 2.0 feed for these comments This entry (permalink) was posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007, at [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Journal de IsNotGood: J'aime, je n'aime pas : Fedora</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/comment-page-1/#comment-9296</link>
		<dc:creator>Journal de IsNotGood: J'aime, je n'aime pas : Fedora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/#comment-9296</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://tieguy.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] Après toutes ces critiques sur les performances de yum (que je seconde vivement), je suis étonné que personne n&#8217;aie répliqué qu&#8217;on pouvait s&#8217;attendre à de grandes améliorations prochainement. Suite au lancer de troll d&#8217;ESR, un bonhomme a fait une analyse des performances de yum et en a corrigé plusieurs défauts. Il dit qu&#8217;une recherche sur un paquet est passé de 30 secondes à&#8230; 2 secondes.  Plus d&#8217;infos sur le blog de Luis Villa : <a href="http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those(.." rel="nofollow">http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those(..</a>.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lund alias w.e

&quot;What you are asking is a bit like asking me to cast better votes for the US presidency just because I say there are reasons to be less than pleased with the current holder of the job.&quot;

No. I am asking you to put up or shut up. Fedora didnt use apt for well documented reasons. 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/Apt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lund alias w.e</p>
<p>&#8220;What you are asking is a bit like asking me to cast better votes for the US presidency just because I say there are reasons to be less than pleased with the current holder of the job.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. I am asking you to put up or shut up. Fedora didnt use apt for well documented reasons. </p>
<p><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/Apt" rel="nofollow">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/Apt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tidbits from the Dungeon</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/comment-page-1/#comment-8892</link>
		<dc:creator>Tidbits from the Dungeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] sized chunks of questionable wisdom       Do as ESR says, not as ESR does. -- Luis Villa  posted 50 minutes ago [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Lund</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/comment-page-1/#comment-8891</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, I have actually contributed to a package manager/installer (autopackage).

Try programming in the large in the Posix shell some day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, I have actually contributed to a package manager/installer (autopackage).</p>
<p>Try programming in the large in the Posix shell some day :)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lund</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/25/a-word-of-thanks-for-those-who-work-instead-of-rant-or-do-as-esr-says-not-as-esr-does/comment-page-1/#comment-8890</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Lund, John.  Lund.

What you are asking is a bit like asking me to cast better votes for the US presidency just because I say there are reasons to be less than pleased with the current holder of the job.

Even if I became a naturalized citizen, I would still only have one vote.  If I stay out of Florida and Ohio, that is.

Much easier to stay in my current country.

If you had followed along you would have seen that yum has been a performance disaster for years and that Seth Vidal has not exactly had a history of welcoming help.

A similar situation in the open source world is the suspend/resume problems with Linux, a lot of which stems from the fact that Linus Torvalds appointed as lieutenant for that area a Czech who almost couldn&#039;t code (yes, really!) when he got the job.  A handful of competent people have tried over the years to fix the situation but as long as the Czech&#039;s bad code goes in unhindered and he is the gatekeeper for the good code, things tend to improve rather slowly.  Linus himself and Ingo Molnar seems to have given it about a week&#039;s time each in the last year which did improve things but I&#039;m afraid we shall have to wait until Ingo has the time to fix the problem properly.

Yum would likely have improved faster if Seth Vidal had just orphaned it.  Or Red Hat would have switched completely to apt (wrapped around rpm instead of dpkg), which would probably have been an even better outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Lund, John.  Lund.</p>
<p>What you are asking is a bit like asking me to cast better votes for the US presidency just because I say there are reasons to be less than pleased with the current holder of the job.</p>
<p>Even if I became a naturalized citizen, I would still only have one vote.  If I stay out of Florida and Ohio, that is.</p>
<p>Much easier to stay in my current country.</p>
<p>If you had followed along you would have seen that yum has been a performance disaster for years and that Seth Vidal has not exactly had a history of welcoming help.</p>
<p>A similar situation in the open source world is the suspend/resume problems with Linux, a lot of which stems from the fact that Linus Torvalds appointed as lieutenant for that area a Czech who almost couldn&#8217;t code (yes, really!) when he got the job.  A handful of competent people have tried over the years to fix the situation but as long as the Czech&#8217;s bad code goes in unhindered and he is the gatekeeper for the good code, things tend to improve rather slowly.  Linus himself and Ingo Molnar seems to have given it about a week&#8217;s time each in the last year which did improve things but I&#8217;m afraid we shall have to wait until Ingo has the time to fix the problem properly.</p>
<p>Yum would likely have improved faster if Seth Vidal had just orphaned it.  Or Red Hat would have switched completely to apt (wrapped around rpm instead of dpkg), which would probably have been an even better outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-02-26 [dive into mark]</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-02-26 [dive into mark]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Luis Villaâ€™s Blog / a word of thanks for those who work instead of rant (or, do as ESR says, not a... (tags: opensource culture) [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter land, 

If you are such a better programmer, where are your patches to make yum performance better? It is easy to be a arm chair critic and bash the people doing the work.

Try doing a better job yourself and we shall then speak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter land, </p>
<p>If you are such a better programmer, where are your patches to make yum performance better? It is easy to be a arm chair critic and bash the people doing the work.</p>
<p>Try doing a better job yourself and we shall then speak</p>
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