Comments on: Canonical: putting money where mouth is, credit where credit is due, all that. http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/ Ramblings on law school in New York, free software, and the spaces in between. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:21:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Advogato: Blog for louie http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-24806 Advogato: Blog for louie Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:34:21 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-24806 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Syndicated 2007-02-15 12:45:24 from Luis Villa's Blog [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Syndicated 2007-02-15 12:45:24 from Luis Villa’s Blog [...]

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-8282 Luis Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:32:18 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-8282 My problem is not necessarily with hiring people, per se, but rather with the laziness it creates in the political class. Much easier to sit on your ass and have lobbyists bring (slanted) information to you than (god forbid) one hire people to do the research for you, perhaps talking not just to those who can afford to hire lobbyists but also to those who cannot. It isn't a particularly radical vision, just a vision where legislators spend time/effort researching instead of expecting it all to come to them on a gilded and tilted platter. There is no great way to force this to happen, of course; as I think we've seen with the last round of campaign finance reform, money will make itself heard no matter what. But just because I don't see any other particularly palatable options doesn't make the model we've got any more pleasant/acceptable. My problem is not necessarily with hiring people, per se, but rather with the laziness it creates in the political class. Much easier to sit on your ass and have lobbyists bring (slanted) information to you than (god forbid) one hire people to do the research for you, perhaps talking not just to those who can afford to hire lobbyists but also to those who cannot. It isn’t a particularly radical vision, just a vision where legislators spend time/effort researching instead of expecting it all to come to them on a gilded and tilted platter.

There is no great way to force this to happen, of course; as I think we’ve seen with the last round of campaign finance reform, money will make itself heard no matter what. But just because I don’t see any other particularly palatable options doesn’t make the model we’ve got any more pleasant/acceptable.

]]> By: links for 2007-02-16 [dive into mark] http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-8147 links for 2007-02-16 [dive into mark] Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:11:32 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-8147 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Luis Villa’s Blog » Canonical: putting money where mouth is, credit where credit is due, all that... (tags: ubuntu linux licensing) [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Luis Villa’s Blog » Canonical: putting money where mouth is, credit where credit is due, all that… (tags: ubuntu linux licensing) [...]

]]> By: sam th http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-7419 sam th Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:06:51 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-7419 I don't think I accused you of advocating not lobbying, which as you point out would be silly, since you explicitly advocated lobbying. However, I'm still having trouble imagining what you think the political process should look like. Should people not advocate for their proposed policies? Should hiring people to do this particular job be disallowed, or frowned upon? The insider dealing and corruption that currently occurs isn't something anyone should be happy about, but it seems like you're implicitly suggesting something more radical. I don’t think I accused you of advocating not lobbying, which as you point out would be silly, since you explicitly advocated lobbying.

However, I’m still having trouble imagining what you think the political process should look like. Should people not advocate for their proposed policies? Should hiring people to do this particular job be disallowed, or frowned upon? The insider dealing and corruption that currently occurs isn’t something anyone should be happy about, but it seems like you’re implicitly suggesting something more radical.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-7224 Luis Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:56:59 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-7224 Lobbying is distasteful because the implicit premise of lobbying is that only those who can afford lobbyists have 'earned' a role in the political process. I didn't say we shouldn't do it, though; I very explicitly said it was a good idea, which somehow you overlooked despite it being in the same sentence as my comment about distaste. :) Lobbying is distasteful because the implicit premise of lobbying is that only those who can afford lobbyists have ‘earned’ a role in the political process. I didn’t say we shouldn’t do it, though; I very explicitly said it was a good idea, which somehow you overlooked despite it being in the same sentence as my comment about distaste. :)

]]> By: sam th http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-7207 sam th Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:20:23 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/02/15/canonical-putting-money-where-mouth-is-credit-where-credit-is-due-all-that/#comment-7207 <i>In particular, the idea of directly funding European lobbying on the patent issue is a good one (as distasteful as lobbying is),</i> I find this attitude sort of depressing. What's distateful about encouraging your elected representatives to do the right thing on an important issue? Further, should they all just sit in a room and legislate without talking to people? If we as a community find lobbying distateful, we're just going to lose. In particular, the idea of directly funding European lobbying on the patent issue is a good one (as distasteful as lobbying is),

I find this attitude sort of depressing. What’s distateful about encouraging your elected representatives to do the right thing on an important issue? Further, should they all just sit in a room and legislate without talking to people? If we as a community find lobbying distateful, we’re just going to lose.

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