Comments on: most condescending and loathsome email I’ve ever gotten http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/ Ramblings on law school in New York, free software, and the spaces in between. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:32:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: CH Rob J King http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3992 CH Rob J King Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:55:55 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3992 Luis. Hey, you are a "Dukie" . . . same here . . . Resident Advisor for the Pikas from 1994 - 1996, Area Coordinator in Residence Life from 1995 - 1997 (enforced the new alcohol policy at Duke), served on a Dean selection committee, served on Dean of the Chapel, Will Willimon's Evaluation Committee, studied Ethics with Stanley Hauerwas (MDiv & ThM--was a BA in Religion at Davidson College, then spent 3 years studying ethics & church history in the PhD program at Notre Dame). So, looks like we are in the same "snotty, preppy good ole boys club" (went to school with Strom Thurmond, Jr at Davidson). So did you hate the Intervarsity folks at Duke as much as you hate me??? Intervarsity was basically my "enclave" community (John Inazu was my "accountability partner" prior to he becoming a JAG lawyer at the Pentagon and with me at Notre Dame). Intervarsity at Duke is basically who I am. Evangelical, oppressed by anti-Christian professors at times, but ready to defend orthodox Christianity to the point of our own martyrdom. I take it that you are main-line Protestant or something, given how much you hate we Evangelicals . . . Blessings in Jesus, CH Rob J King Luis. Hey, you are a “Dukie” . . . same here . . . Resident Advisor for the Pikas from 1994 - 1996, Area Coordinator in Residence Life from 1995 - 1997 (enforced the new alcohol policy at Duke), served on a Dean selection committee, served on Dean of the Chapel, Will Willimon’s Evaluation Committee, studied Ethics with Stanley Hauerwas (MDiv & ThM–was a BA in Religion at Davidson College, then spent 3 years studying ethics & church history in the PhD program at Notre Dame). So, looks like we are in the same “snotty, preppy good ole boys club” (went to school with Strom Thurmond, Jr at Davidson). So did you hate the Intervarsity folks at Duke as much as you hate me??? Intervarsity was basically my “enclave” community (John Inazu was my “accountability partner” prior to he becoming a JAG lawyer at the Pentagon and with me at Notre Dame). Intervarsity at Duke is basically who I am. Evangelical, oppressed by anti-Christian professors at times, but ready to defend orthodox Christianity to the point of our own martyrdom. I take it that you are main-line Protestant or something, given how much you hate we Evangelicals . . .
Blessings in Jesus,
CH Rob J King

]]> By: CH Rob J King http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3991 CH Rob J King Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:43:59 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3991 my prayer for you worked. you like Jesus now. so do I. He is a really nice guy being God-incarnate and all that. thank you for taking the time to care, you know "Hallmark Cards, most-loathsome e-mail ever received" . . . wry humor there . . . seriously, glad that you like Jesus . . . one question, why do you hate Evangelical Christians so much? I speak in tongues (Charismatic Chaplain) and so many times people hate me just for being Charismatic. Well, this is too long as it is . . . thank you for liking Jesus though . . . my prayer for you worked. you like Jesus now. so do I. He is a really nice guy being God-incarnate and all that. thank you for taking the time to care, you know “Hallmark Cards, most-loathsome e-mail ever received” . . . wry humor there . . . seriously, glad that you like Jesus . . . one question, why do you hate Evangelical Christians so much? I speak in tongues (Charismatic Chaplain) and so many times people hate me just for being Charismatic. Well, this is too long as it is . . . thank you for liking Jesus though . . .

]]> By: Luis Villa’s Blog » a note on jesus and evangelical christianity http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3581 Luis Villa’s Blog » a note on jesus and evangelical christianity Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:37:15 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3581 [...] Some people were apparently offended by my post a couple weeks ago about being ‘prayed for’. That has bothered me a bit, and I want to take an opportunity to clarify that. I’m not anti-Jesus and I’m not anti-Christian, I’m just anti-assholes-in-the-name-of-Jesus. But I’m not eloquent, and didn’t convey that in my post. In contrast, John Scalzi is an excellent writer, and he puts it really, really well today, in a discussion about Luke 6:42 and Ted Haggard: From the outside, it looks like evangelistic core beliefs are about division, acquisition and exclusion, none of which strike me as particularly Christ-like (or for that matter particularly evangelical). I’m never going to be an evangelical Christian, but I like Jesus; he was a righteous dude. It would be nice to see more of Jesus in the loud and showy thing that is evangelical Christianity. I don’t expect it. It would still be nice to see. [...] [...] Some people were apparently offended by my post a couple weeks ago about being ‘prayed for’. That has bothered me a bit, and I want to take an opportunity to clarify that. I’m not anti-Jesus and I’m not anti-Christian, I’m just anti-assholes-in-the-name-of-Jesus. But I’m not eloquent, and didn’t convey that in my post. In contrast, John Scalzi is an excellent writer, and he puts it really, really well today, in a discussion about Luke 6:42 and Ted Haggard: From the outside, it looks like evangelistic core beliefs are about division, acquisition and exclusion, none of which strike me as particularly Christ-like (or for that matter particularly evangelical). I’m never going to be an evangelical Christian, but I like Jesus; he was a righteous dude. It would be nice to see more of Jesus in the loud and showy thing that is evangelical Christianity. I don’t expect it. It would still be nice to see. [...]

]]> By: crf http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3180 crf Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:37:37 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3180 A baby on a ventilator just died after a power outage. If we hadn't had this discussion, and instead saved the electrons, he might have lived. A baby on a ventilator just died after a power outage. If we hadn’t had this discussion, and instead saved the electrons, he might have lived.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3166 Luis Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:25:31 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3166 Mike: I think if you have the right policies in place, you can use a wiki to try to get to an 'agree to disagree' point. The actual name of the wiki is the <a href="http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Campaigns_Wikia" rel="nofollow">campaigns wiki</a>- the goal is not 'reach political conclusions' (i.e., we're not going to settle the abortion debate in the wiki either) but 'document what candidates think'. So in the wiki, this guy could go write about every pro-choice candidate 'I will pray for him', and people on the other side would be welcome to write 'I will vote for him', or what have you. I agree completely that if the wiki turns into 'we're going to argue about abortion', it will fail. Mike: I think if you have the right policies in place, you can use a wiki to try to get to an ‘agree to disagree’ point. The actual name of the wiki is the campaigns wiki- the goal is not ‘reach political conclusions’ (i.e., we’re not going to settle the abortion debate in the wiki either) but ‘document what candidates think’. So in the wiki, this guy could go write about every pro-choice candidate ‘I will pray for him’, and people on the other side would be welcome to write ‘I will vote for him’, or what have you. I agree completely that if the wiki turns into ‘we’re going to argue about abortion’, it will fail.

]]> By: oomu http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3165 oomu Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:16:55 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3165 mr Luis Villa, I'm totally with you. and thanks to all the good works on softwares. mr Luis Villa, I’m totally with you.

and thanks to all the good works on softwares.

]]> By: Mike Dolan http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3162 Mike Dolan Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:22:03 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3162 The idea of a wiki reporting on politics gives me a migrane. At least they're not playing tag on the playground (if you saw my post from CNN you'll understand) The idea of a wiki reporting on politics gives me a migrane.

At least they’re not playing tag on the playground (if you saw my post from CNN you’ll understand)

]]> By: Joseph http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3160 Joseph Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:50:41 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3160 Luis: Yes, I would agree with that assessment. Hence, planet gnome will generally be liberally biased. One must merely be cognizant of this fact. Luis: Yes, I would agree with that assessment. Hence, planet gnome will generally be liberally biased. One must merely be cognizant of this fact.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3159 Luis Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:11:51 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3159 Joseph: at least in the US, there would be a strong correlation between the desire to share code and being more politically liberal. nobody: The topic of the blog post, of course, is distinct from the contents of the posting to the list. With regards to waste, though you're right; I should have used language more like that which I used in the followup (linked above), though overall, I mostly stand by waste- it was turning into a proto-flamewar, which is a waste of everyone's time and has never, ever led to anyone saying 'you're right, abortion is ______'. To underscore my point, while the discussion was starting, three people emailed the list saying 'please unsubscribe me', so I firmly stand behind my move to focus the conversation on the topic at hand. Joseph: at least in the US, there would be a strong correlation between the desire to share code and being more politically liberal.

nobody: The topic of the blog post, of course, is distinct from the contents of the posting to the list. With regards to waste, though you’re right; I should have used language more like that which I used in the followup (linked above), though overall, I mostly stand by waste- it was turning into a proto-flamewar, which is a waste of everyone’s time and has never, ever led to anyone saying ‘you’re right, abortion is ______’.

To underscore my point, while the discussion was starting, three people emailed the list saying ‘please unsubscribe me’, so I firmly stand behind my move to focus the conversation on the topic at hand.

]]> By: nobody http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3158 nobody Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:07:21 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/10/19/most-condescending-and-loathsome-email-ive-ever-gotten/#comment-3158 Hi Luis Why do you hate BABIES? Why do you hate GOD? Ha ha, just kidding. Look, I think your mistake was in using judgmental language in your posting ("waste") and you just got slapped back by this chaplain with his own judgmental language. The merits of your side are just as irrelevant as the merits of his side. You were rude, he was rude back. Case closed. Let me be a preachy bastard for a second here and say you really got to pick up on this if you want to be a good lawyer. The best lawyers use interest-based negotiation to get win-win agreements. You will deal with people that don't share your view point and you will need to get deals done. All of my mistakes in the legal field centred on my being angry that someone else couldn't see I was "right." You compounded your error with the title of your blog posting ("loathsome and condescending email") Hi Luis

Why do you hate BABIES?
Why do you hate GOD?

Ha ha, just kidding. Look, I think your mistake was in using judgmental language in your posting (”waste”) and you just got slapped back by this chaplain with his own judgmental language. The merits of your side are just as irrelevant as the merits of his side. You were rude, he was rude back. Case closed. Let me be a preachy bastard for a second here and say you really got to pick up on this if you want to be a good lawyer. The best lawyers use interest-based negotiation to get win-win agreements. You will deal with people that don’t share your view point and you will need to get deals done. All of my mistakes in the legal field centred on my being angry that someone else couldn’t see I was “right.” You compounded your error with the title of your blog posting (”loathsome and condescending email”)

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