Comments on: what the kernel guys got wrong http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/ Ramblings on software, law, and the spaces in between. Wed, 23 May 2012 07:48:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: StumbleUpon » Your page is now on StumbleUpon! http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-25808 StumbleUpon » Your page is now on StumbleUpon! Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:17:57 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-25808 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Your page is on StumbleUpon [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Your page is on StumbleUpon [...]

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]]> By: Luis Villa’s Blog / GPL v3, the Q&A: part 2- developers http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-24257 Luis Villa’s Blog / GPL v3, the Q&A: part 2- developers Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:42:30 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-24257 [...] that this new clarity will actually help uptake, though. It should reduce the opportunity for FUD, of which there was a fair amount around the first draft. So if people’s decision turns on these clauses, it’ll at least turn on the right [...] [...] that this new clarity will actually help uptake, though. It should reduce the opportunity for FUD, of which there was a fair amount around the first draft. So if people’s decision turns on these clauses, it’ll at least turn on the right [...]

]]> By: David Pastern http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-4391 David Pastern Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:32:57 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-4391 Excellent article Luis - you have hit the nail on the head. The Linux kernel devs don't want to re-license the kernel to GPL v3 as they know that the big corporate interest in the kernel will probably abandon input into the Linux kernel. And that means that they'll be out of work, and have a loss of income. These guys are putting their income and big business before the ideals of the FSF and the GPL. OK, If Linus doesn't like the GPL, or the FSF's politics, then he shouldn't have used the GPL. Period. Maybe he should have used the BSD, and had his baby raped by corporate interest (without any returns to the code I might add), and then he'd see how good the GPL is (and how much better GPL v3 is) and how well it has protected his kernel baby, so that it could grow into a big project, and make him some nice money and fame out of it. I called Linus a 'shill' on Groklaw, and sadly had my comments removed by PJ because a few people got all upset about it, but in reality, that's all he is. Nothing more, and nothing less. I call a spade a spade. Cheers, Dave Excellent article Luis – you have hit the nail on the head.

The Linux kernel devs don’t want to re-license the kernel to GPL v3 as they know that the big corporate interest in the kernel will probably abandon input into the Linux kernel. And that means that they’ll be out of work, and have a loss of income. These guys are putting their income and big business before the ideals of the FSF and the GPL. OK, If Linus doesn’t like the GPL, or the FSF’s politics, then he shouldn’t have used the GPL. Period. Maybe he should have used the BSD, and had his baby raped by corporate interest (without any returns to the code I might add), and then he’d see how good the GPL is (and how much better GPL v3 is) and how well it has protected his kernel baby, so that it could grow into a big project, and make him some nice money and fame out of it.

I called Linus a ‘shill’ on Groklaw, and sadly had my comments removed by PJ because a few people got all upset about it, but in reality, that’s all he is. Nothing more, and nothing less. I call a spade a spade.

Cheers,

Dave

]]> By: Horst von Brand http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-2810 Horst von Brand Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:11:03 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-2810 Sorry, GPLv3 might be made more compatible with more licenses, but in itself the ability to add clauses will fragment GPLv3 itself. Sorry, GPLv3 might be made more compatible with more licenses, but in itself the ability to add clauses will fragment GPLv3 itself.

]]> By: AC http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-2769 AC Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:52:28 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-2769 ‘this growing proprietarization is immoral.’ One does not (and did not in 1991) need to agree with _any_part_ of this statement to think that GPL v2 is a great license. Read Linus' "tit-for-tat" discussion on Groklaw. ‘this growing proprietarization is immoral.’

One does not (and did not in 1991) need to agree with _any_part_ of this statement to think that GPL v2 is a great license. Read Linus’ “tit-for-tat” discussion on Groklaw.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-2766 Luis Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:30:51 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-2766 But that's bogus. We all believe, in retrospect, that v2's political goals are reasonable, because in the 80s RMS had the balls (the batshit insanity?) to stand up and say 'this growing proprietarization is immoral.' Just because in 2006 that is no longer considered political doesn't mean it isn't political. But that’s bogus. We all believe, in retrospect, that v2′s political goals are reasonable, because in the 80s RMS had the balls (the batshit insanity?) to stand up and say ‘this growing proprietarization is immoral.’ Just because in 2006 that is no longer considered political doesn’t mean it isn’t political.

]]> By: AC http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-2761 AC Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:06:12 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-2761 "the belief that the FSF wasn’t political, and is now political" I think their point is that GPL v2 is a great, balanced license regardless of where you stand on their politics, but GPL v3 is only good if you agree with FSF political goals. “the belief that the FSF wasn’t political, and is now political”

I think their point is that GPL v2 is a great, balanced license regardless of where you stand on their politics, but GPL v3 is only good if you agree with FSF political goals.

]]> By: Toby http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-2742 Toby Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:47:21 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-2742 "from the first day RMS heard about DRM"? Heard about? He all but predicted it. Perhaps he failed to anticipate, in this glorious 21st century, corporate enthusiasm for an idea so "defective by design," and consumer apathy towards it. “from the first day RMS heard about DRM”?

Heard about? He all but predicted it. Perhaps he failed to anticipate, in this glorious 21st century, corporate enthusiasm for an idea so “defective by design,” and consumer apathy towards it.

]]> By: Simon Phipps http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-2741 Simon Phipps Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:36:38 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/22/what-the-kernel-guys-got-wrong/#comment-2741 Just responded at http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/gpl_v3_progress (couldn't trackback, got a 403, sorry). Reading the kernel guys' statement is like reading a reaction to draft 1, and I note that many of their arguments seem remarkably similar to ones I have heard from certain corporations in another context. Mark: CDDL fixed a whole load of issues with MPL. One member of the team thought parameterising choice of law and venue would be smart too, but it's clearly not, I want to find a way to fix that. I think a key here is to look on what are genuinely good-faith efforts to make things better in exactly that way. That's how I am regarding GPL v3, certainly. Just responded at http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/gpl_v3_progress (couldn’t trackback, got a 403, sorry). Reading the kernel guys’ statement is like reading a reaction to draft 1, and I note that many of their arguments seem remarkably similar to ones I have heard from certain corporations in another context.

Mark: CDDL fixed a whole load of issues with MPL. One member of the team thought parameterising choice of law and venue would be smart too, but it’s clearly not, I want to find a way to fix that. I think a key here is to look on what are genuinely good-faith efforts to make things better in exactly that way. That’s how I am regarding GPL v3, certainly.

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