Comments on: Red Hat’s next outside-the-box program: electronic voting http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/ Ramblings on software, law, and the spaces in between. Wed, 23 May 2012 07:48:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Luis Villa's Internet Home / Digging up my old Red Hat/e-voting posts http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-30227 Luis Villa's Internet Home / Digging up my old Red Hat/e-voting posts Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:48:50 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-30227 [...] RHAT stock recently hit a five-year high. This seems like as good a time as any to dig up my ‘Red Hat should be in electronic voting‘ post and followup. Take the gamble, Raleigh! Buy the ES&S assets at bargain prices and [...] [...] RHAT stock recently hit a five-year high. This seems like as good a time as any to dig up my ‘Red Hat should be in electronic voting‘ post and followup. Take the gamble, Raleigh! Buy the ES&S assets at bargain prices and [...]

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-9061 Luis Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:23:14 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-9061 <i>it is the only verifiable method allowing completely trustworthy recounts.</i> See my <a href="http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/17/red-hat-voting-followups/" rel="nofollow">followup post.</a> Nutshell: paper methods are not at all trustworthy either, as any resident of Florida, Mexico, or Chicago, just to name a few high-profile places, will tell you. it is the only verifiable method allowing completely trustworthy recounts.

See my followup post. Nutshell: paper methods are not at all trustworthy either, as any resident of Florida, Mexico, or Chicago, just to name a few high-profile places, will tell you.

]]> By: Tim Pritlove http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-9059 Tim Pritlove Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:07:49 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-9059 Reconsider your arguments, please. Voting computers are bad idea alltogether. Even if you try to program a solution as free software/open source, you can never trust a computer to actually run that particular software. Open source doesn't help. It only helps those with access and interest in manipulation getting their stuff sold. Nothing is generally broken with the paper-based voting process. While there are some issues with possible fraud on a very local scale, it is the only verifiable method allowing completely trustworthy recounts. A recount with a voting computer is not possible. Voting computers should be banned. Open source doesn't help. If Red Hat is going into these areas, they will quickly become an enemy of democratic activist groups worldwide. Reconsider your arguments, please. Voting computers are bad idea alltogether. Even if you try to program a solution as free software/open source, you can never trust a computer to actually run that particular software. Open source doesn’t help. It only helps those with access and interest in manipulation getting their stuff sold.

Nothing is generally broken with the paper-based voting process. While there are some issues with possible fraud on a very local scale, it is the only verifiable method allowing completely trustworthy recounts.

A recount with a voting computer is not possible. Voting computers should be banned. Open source doesn’t help. If Red Hat is going into these areas, they will quickly become an enemy of democratic activist groups worldwide.

]]> By: Luis Villa’s Blog / misc. post-weekend bits http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-9048 Luis Villa’s Blog / misc. post-weekend bits Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:20:44 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-9048 [...] Diebold is considering selling their voting machine unit. RH, this is your chance. [...] [...] Diebold is considering selling their voting machine unit. RH, this is your chance. [...]

]]> By: Luis Villa’s Blog » Red Hat voting followups http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-2636 Luis Villa’s Blog » Red Hat voting followups Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:55:56 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-2636 [...] There have been quite a few followups to my voting post. A couple of the most common themes: [...] [...] There have been quite a few followups to my voting post. A couple of the most common themes: [...]

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-2587 Luis Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:09:14 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-2587 hbons: pretty sure they are closed source everywhere. If RH were to enter this market, and press the security and democratic advantages of open source, they would be able to advance quickly in it, I believe. hbons: pretty sure they are closed source everywhere. If RH were to enter this market, and press the security and democratic advantages of open source, they would be able to advance quickly in it, I believe.

]]> By: hbons http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-2560 hbons Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:52:36 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-2560 Good news, here (NL) voting machine software is still closed source. Good news, here (NL) voting machine software is still closed source.

]]> By: Greg DeK http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-2559 Greg DeK Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:40:14 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-2559 Luis: as usual, you're right on target. I know some folks in this arena, too. Drop me a line and let's chat about it. Luis: as usual, you’re right on target. I know some folks in this arena, too. Drop me a line and let’s chat about it.

]]> By: Luis http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-2556 Luis Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:58:19 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-2556 I don't buy that Linux, as software, is particularly revolutionary. The method of production is revolutionary, yes, but that's distinct from the revolutionarity of the software, or (in this case) the revolutionarity of the companies based on the software. If RH does this, they should do it because it makes good business sense to use this development method, not because they should be throwing off the chains of our oppressors. I don’t buy that Linux, as software, is particularly revolutionary. The method of production is revolutionary, yes, but that’s distinct from the revolutionarity of the software, or (in this case) the revolutionarity of the companies based on the software. If RH does this, they should do it because it makes good business sense to use this development method, not because they should be throwing off the chains of our oppressors.

]]> By: Eugenia http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-2555 Eugenia Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:54:57 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/09/14/red-hats-next-outside-the-box-program-electronic-voting/#comment-2555 I fully agree with you Luis. Software is about doing our jobs and revolutionary software (as Linux is portrayed) should revolutionize our lives. Voting is one of these things that there is a "door open" yet in the market and the biggest Linux company should pursue it. I fully agree with you Luis. Software is about doing our jobs and revolutionary software (as Linux is portrayed) should revolutionize our lives. Voting is one of these things that there is a “door open” yet in the market and the biggest Linux company should pursue it.

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