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		<title>By: Bits from the DPL: Looking around</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-33558</link>
		<dc:creator>Bits from the DPL: Looking around</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] with similar goals, including Debian itself. [0] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/50 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ [1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/54 Another learning experience has been (and continues [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - CNET News.com</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-27208</link>
		<dc:creator>Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - CNET News.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Hardy Heron Making Linux Ready for the Masses?</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-26963</link>
		<dc:creator>Hardy Heron Making Linux Ready for the Masses?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] experienced with ubuntu. Yeah, Ubuntu updates never break things in spectacular ways. Oh wait... http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 &#124; CNET News.com</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-26962</link>
		<dc:creator>Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 &#124; CNET News.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu &#124; Tech News on ZDNet</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-25256</link>
		<dc:creator>Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu &#124; Tech News on ZDNet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 &#124; CNET News.com</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-25241</link>
		<dc:creator>Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 &#124; CNET News.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in August.    Now on News.com  A [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Mukund&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Various bits</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-24924</link>
		<dc:creator>Mukund&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Various bits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I read your blog about the X problem you mentioned yesterday. I myself am a Fedora user, but recommend either Fedora or Ubuntu to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hip Hei - ubuntu 6.06 paivitys kaataa X.n</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-9054</link>
		<dc:creator>Hip Hei - ubuntu 6.06 paivitys kaataa X.n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://tieguy.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] Todella paha moka, onneksi en päivittänyt omaa Ubuntuani. Noh, Ubuntu sai siitä kyllä noottia aika paljon. Kuten heikki sanoi, monet joutuvat varmaan turvautumaan uudelleenasennukseen. Näin ei tosiaan saisi käydä suositun jakeluversion vakaassa versiossa. <a href="http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/" rel="nofollow">http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 &#124; CNET News.com</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator>Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 &#124; CNET News.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in August.     #textCarousel { [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ajax</title>
		<link>http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1927</link>
		<dc:creator>ajax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, PCI domain scanning.  Total pain and suffering, very easy to get wrong, the way it&#039;s implemented in X is completely non-obvious.  You actually do want it in Ubuntu, since there is hardware with multiple domains, even on x86 and amd64, and there will be more in the future, but every time someone touches it it breaks in new and fascinating ways.  I suspect this didn&#039;t even get a &quot;boots on my machine&quot; check before committing though.

Michael, thanks for the link!

I&#039;m looking at getting something similar fixed for FC6, and if I succeed I&#039;ll make sure it gets into 7.2 when I go back to doing upstream release wrangling.  Imagine Bullwinkle telling Rocky &quot;this time for sure...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, PCI domain scanning.  Total pain and suffering, very easy to get wrong, the way it&#8217;s implemented in X is completely non-obvious.  You actually do want it in Ubuntu, since there is hardware with multiple domains, even on x86 and amd64, and there will be more in the future, but every time someone touches it it breaks in new and fascinating ways.  I suspect this didn&#8217;t even get a &#8220;boots on my machine&#8221; check before committing though.</p>
<p>Michael, thanks for the link!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at getting something similar fixed for FC6, and if I succeed I&#8217;ll make sure it gets into 7.2 when I go back to doing upstream release wrangling.  Imagine Bullwinkle telling Rocky &#8220;this time for sure&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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