Comments on: !@#@!#@!- still learning what ‘long term support’ means http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ Ramblings on law school in New York, free software, and the spaces in between. Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:32:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - CNET News.com http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-27208 Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - CNET News.com Sat, 24 May 2008 05:23:56 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-27208 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]

]]> By: Hardy Heron Making Linux Ready for the Masses? http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-26963 Hardy Heron Making Linux Ready for the Masses? Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:28:42 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-26963 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] experienced with ubuntu. Yeah, Ubuntu updates never break things in spectacular ways. Oh wait... http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] experienced with ubuntu. Yeah, Ubuntu updates never break things in spectacular ways. Oh wait… http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ [...]

]]> By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 | CNET News.com http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-26962 Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 | CNET News.com Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:44:41 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-26962 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]

]]> By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu | Tech News on ZDNet http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-25256 Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu | Tech News on ZDNet Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:39:03 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-25256 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in [...]

]]> By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 | CNET News.com http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-25241 Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 | CNET News.com Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:22:00 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-25241 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in August. Now on News.com A [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in August. Now on News.com A [...]

]]> By: Mukund’s Blog » Blog Archive » Various bits http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-24924 Mukund’s Blog » Blog Archive » Various bits Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:48:10 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-24924 [...] I read your blog about the X problem you mentioned yesterday. I myself am a Fedora user, but recommend either Fedora or Ubuntu to [...] [...] I read your blog about the X problem you mentioned yesterday. I myself am a Fedora user, but recommend either Fedora or Ubuntu to [...]

]]> By: Hip Hei - ubuntu 6.06 paivitys kaataa X.n http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-9054 Hip Hei - ubuntu 6.06 paivitys kaataa X.n Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:11:15 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-9054 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Todella paha moka, onneksi en päivittänyt omaa Ubuntuani. Noh, Ubuntu sai siitä kyllä noottia aika paljon. Kuten heikki sanoi, monet joutuvat varmaan turvautumaan uudelleenasennukseen. Näin ei tosiaan saisi käydä suositun jakeluversion vakaassa versiossa. http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Todella paha moka, onneksi en päivittänyt omaa Ubuntuani. Noh, Ubuntu sai siitä kyllä noottia aika paljon. Kuten heikki sanoi, monet joutuvat varmaan turvautumaan uudelleenasennukseen. Näin ei tosiaan saisi käydä suositun jakeluversion vakaassa versiossa. http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/ [...]

]]> By: Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 | CNET News.com http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-8435 Canonical seeks profit from free Ubuntu - page 2 | CNET News.com Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:57:27 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-8435 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in August. #textCarousel { [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] road Canonical has had hitches with the stable Dapper Drake version, though. The Ubuntu project was stung by criticism after one update disabled the graphical interface for many users in August. #textCarousel { [...]

]]> By: ajax http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-1927 ajax Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:00:50 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-1927 Ouch, PCI domain scanning. Total pain and suffering, very easy to get wrong, the way it's implemented in X is completely non-obvious. You actually do want it in Ubuntu, since there is hardware with multiple domains, even on x86 and amd64, and there will be more in the future, but every time someone touches it it breaks in new and fascinating ways. I suspect this didn't even get a "boots on my machine" check before committing though. Michael, thanks for the link! I'm looking at getting something similar fixed for FC6, and if I succeed I'll make sure it gets into 7.2 when I go back to doing upstream release wrangling. Imagine Bullwinkle telling Rocky "this time for sure..." Ouch, PCI domain scanning. Total pain and suffering, very easy to get wrong, the way it’s implemented in X is completely non-obvious. You actually do want it in Ubuntu, since there is hardware with multiple domains, even on x86 and amd64, and there will be more in the future, but every time someone touches it it breaks in new and fascinating ways. I suspect this didn’t even get a “boots on my machine” check before committing though.

Michael, thanks for the link!

I’m looking at getting something similar fixed for FC6, and if I succeed I’ll make sure it gets into 7.2 when I go back to doing upstream release wrangling. Imagine Bullwinkle telling Rocky “this time for sure…”

]]> By: Matt (msw) Wilson http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-1926 Matt (msw) Wilson Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:35:26 +0000 http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/#comment-1926 Yikes. Why in the world would you want this patch in Ubuntu? It's pretty much only for huge IBM pSeries and UltraSPARC machines. Anyway - part of what you need here is good software management. In those cases where the update results in a broken system, you have to be able to roll back. Use a Conary-based distro and "conary rollback 1" would undo the damage. Yikes. Why in the world would you want this patch in Ubuntu? It’s pretty much only for huge IBM pSeries and UltraSPARC machines.

Anyway - part of what you need here is good software management. In those cases where the update results in a broken system, you have to be able to roll back. Use a Conary-based distro and “conary rollback 1″ would undo the damage.

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